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promopiratism

April 10, 2008, 5:59 am
amos dettonville
Artist, Louisville

Posts: 460
Joined: 2005-10-02
Posted: 20 weeks 16 hours ago

UMG Says Throwing Away Promo CDs is Illegal
Posted by Fred von Lohmann

In a brief filed in federal court yesterday, Universal Music Group (UMG) states that, when it comes to the millions of promotional CDs ("promo CDs") that it has sent out to music reviewers, radio stations, DJs, and other music industry insiders, throwing them away is "an unauthorized distribution" that violates copyright law. Yes, you read that right -- if you've ever received a promo CD from UMG, and you don't still have it, UMG thinks you're a pirate.
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/04/umg-says-throwing-away-promo-cds-illegal

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April 10, 2008, 1:38 pm
David
Fan, Vancouver

Posts: 1183
Joined: 2005-07-29
Posted: 20 weeks 9 hours ago
OMFG!

I checked the date just to make sure it wasn't April 1!

I have a stack on my desk, on the floor, and in a bin. I personally don't toss them in the garbage though. That feels wrong. Though I have used some as coasters. I wonder what UMG thinks of that? I guess their moral rights could be in violation if I use it for something other than playing music?


April 10, 2008, 7:59 pm
amos dettonville
Artist, Louisville

Posts: 460
Joined: 2005-10-02
Posted: 20 weeks 2 hours ago
yep, no april fools

the article says it well.

it's also why we have gift taxes (well, the legit reason there should be some gift taxes, not the hungry gov't side of the equation), in the US. i don't like income tax as a general rule - and excessive taxes are not a great love of mine either.

however, when gifts remain the property of the giver - then many illegal things can be done ... the laundering of mucho money or underground commerce for a couple of examples.

of course, the promo sending entity could contract with the persons to whom they send such promo cds and "protect" their precious promo cds that way. it shouldn't be beyond the law to make an exchange of that sort a contracted issue - a bit more than a sticker so to speak.

however, that kinda kills the whole idea of sending the promo piece out in the first place.

and ... isn't all promo a good thing?

who wouldn't be happy to see a product of theirs so valuable that it might bring more bucks on ebay than it's orginal sale?

even if they dropped or lost the act (artist, band, etc.), it's still good PR for the company - something a bit of intelligence could probably take as an opportunity and not a loss.

just a thought.

and those coaster and frisbee cds? what difference could they make?

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April 11, 2008, 4:14 am
Carlito and the...
Artist, Liverpool

Posts: 34
Joined: 2007-12-04
Posted: 19 weeks 6 days ago
Quote:who wouldn't be happy
Quote:
who wouldn't be happy to see a product of theirs so valuable that it might bring more bucks on ebay than it's orginal sale?

I dare say that any CD's that we managed to send out would actual increase in value if they were turned into coasters!


April 14, 2008, 9:58 am
David
Fan, Vancouver

Posts: 1183
Joined: 2005-07-29
Posted: 19 weeks 3 days ago
Indicative of not understanding what labels actually sell

This is indicative of the base problem I see in the industry.
1. We sell a product.
2. That product is a shinny disk.
3. Only with that shiny product can you experience our music.

When reality is I as a fan think:
1. I want a music experience.
2. What types of experiences are available to me.
3. I'll have that, thank-you. (And in 2008 I really don't need and more importantly WANT that shinny disk.)


April 15, 2008, 4:54 am
Carlito and the...
Artist, Liverpool

Posts: 34
Joined: 2007-12-04
Posted: 19 weeks 2 days ago
Totally off subject

but would it be technically possible to build in some sort of self destruct mechanism into an MP3, so that after a certain number of plays the file would offer the option to purchase the track, for a nominal fee, or the file would erase itself, in a similar manner that trial apps do?

Not thinking of a time release method, because it may be decades before any particular track is played again, and it the MP3 would have to retain its portability.

And I still think that there is a fundamental, almost primeaval urge, to possess an item, and we still operate on a tactile level


April 15, 2008, 8:49 am
David
Fan, Vancouver

Posts: 1183
Joined: 2005-07-29
Posted: 19 weeks 2 days ago
Just another DRM solution

You cannot do that with a standard audio file without getting "buy in" to support the destruction by copyright holders, as well as player and OS manufacturers. Even then, it would not take too long for a moderately bright person to hack the file and render the "destruction" mechanism obsolete. This is true for any DRM mechanism.